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Old 25th March 2002, 19:08   #11 (permalink)
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On 2002-03-25 08:45, Mano wrote:
how do you define "crossdressing"
Since it is "impossible" for a woman to crossdress I must define crossdressing as:
"A man dressing in clothing that is seen as society to be 'made for a woman'."

It has nothing to do with sexuality or sexual orientation (though it can lead to a change in either).
Why do you say it is impossible for women to crossdress? Stop and think about what you have just said, and now think about the box you put yourself into.

The term 'crossdressing' belongs on the scrap heap of time. It is used by small-minded people to gain the approval of others. Use to drag some else down below what they think of them selves. For 'they' aspire to live down to the lowest level, as this is easier. Makes everyone around 'them' feel good 'cause they’re looking down on others. Basically they’re all cowards, cowards with clubs but still cowards.

Courage comes from within, after looking inward and you find kindness, love, High Heels, pantyhose, skirts. And then having faced "yourself" and over come your own fears and demons gives you courage unmatched.

I see the following happen. A man who wears a skirt & heels in public as himself, challenges societies perceptions of what is male, the low IQ's will just dismiss him as weird, allot will recognize the courage, & self confidence, and feel ashamed for not having it within, others will recognize it as something they have within but have rejected and therefore hate themselves and anyone who reminds them of it, these are the dangerous one's self hate is very powerful.

Women are often the one's who spot the self-confidence first with comments like: “I love to see a man in a skirt." 'Cause she knows here is a man who knows his balls are not held on with a pair of pants.
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Why do you say it is impossible for women to crossdress? Stop and think about what you have just said, and now think about the box you put yourself into.
I put "impossible" in quotes because it is "possible," however, in American society (where I live) there is an attitude of "no big deal" when a woman wears clothing traditionally considered to be masculine. Such as overalls, suits (albeit, cut for a woman), loafers, etc.

A woman who is wearing said clothing more often than not will NOT be labeled a crossdresser, whereas a man wearing a print dress will.
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Quote: It has nothing to do with sexuality or sexual orientation (though it can lead to a change in either)....

I agree with the first part of the statement, strongly disagree with the second.

From what I gather, the traditional definition of cross dressing is one who attempts to look or feel like a woman. Since I do neither, I wouldn't describe my heel wearing as cross dressing. That's probably why what I do is socially acceptable whereas cross dressing isn't considered so.

Not that I agree with it not being socially unacceptable. Dressing up and switching roles is fun and everyone should be encouraged to develop their own identity in that respect.

Mind you, if loads of people cross dressed and were quite good at it, then society would have a few problems I think. Most cross dressers want to pair up with a real woman, and if their date turned out to be a convincing guy then they probably wouldn't be too pleased. So complete freedom in these respects takes some consideration.

I think you have to look at it from the point of view of the average person who doesn't induldge in these things, and you can sort of see why they might consider widespread convincing cross dressing a threat to their perception of the social fabric.



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i think that just wearing heels doesnt make you a crossdresser, but when you start to wear a skirt or nylons then you are technically a cross dresser, it isnt really by definition a derogatory word, but society has turned it into one.
but, since i dont wear skirts / nylons,i am not a crossdresser..some people may say that since i like to wear womens shoes that i am...but shoes are SUCH a small part of a person
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Quote: It has nothing to do with sexuality or sexual orientation (though it can lead to a change in either)....

I agree with the first part of the statement, strongly disagree with the second.
Yeah. It was poorly written. The quote was supposed to suggest that by crossdressing a person can "find" their "true" self. *shrug*

Though, it isn't a likely scenario.

Freedom for all. Ah well. It isn't like it matters anyways, I mean, in 300 years we'll all be wearing those groovy Star Trek uniforms.
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Please tell me why 'crossdressing' does not refer to a woman wearing traditional male garb of - jeans, running/hiking shoes, dockers shirt.

There are a least dozen of'em in my office today.

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When I read the comment of putting yourself in a box it reminds me of an article I took over from somewhere on the web. I strongly advise you to read it on the tips and thoughts page of my website, it might open your mind and allow you to express yourself a bit instead of following the herd because all others do it.
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I'm pretty happy with what I can find in the "right" side of the store, except for the footwear. I'd be lying if I'd say that the looks of the footwear wouldn't matter to me, but it's defenitely the feeling that counts.

So, since I wear just a few particular kinds of boots which happen to come from the women's shelves and nothing else, I defenitely don't consider myself as a crossdresser. I would not want to be seen in a skirt or anything, nor am I dissatisfied with my gender or body (albeit a few kg t0o heavy - which is just my own "achievement"). I have never wondered what crossdressing really means but at least what I'm doing is not part of it

Not that I am offended by guys who do it, but I at least would be surprised to see one.

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These days, the styles of "men's" shoes is just WAY TOO BORING! It's like the designers have lost interest in making something interesting for the guys, so they just slap something together for them and then concentrate on the artistry to make "women's" shoes instead.

Sorry...I'm takin' my buffet tray over THAT-a-way.
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To me:-

A Transvestite is someone who caricatures the opposite sex

A Cross-dresser tries to look like the opposite sex

A Transexual wants to be the opposite sex

A Transgendered has become the opposite sex

I don't see what clothing has to do with any of this. I wear high-heels, but don't try to look like a woman. I occasionaly wear skirt (as do most men on Earth) but don't try to look like a woman. I see many women wearing jeans/t-shirts/trainers, some with very short hair, but are they cross-dressing? Society says they aren't and this is generally a good thing, now it's about time that the same was true for men who want to experiment with fashion the way women have for years. That would be true fashion freedom I think
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