Dawn HH

Mrs. Heels:-)

What you have posted is dead-on. I quite agree with you. As far as I'm concerned, you can post anywhere here as you like and as often as you like, and as prolifically as you want. I try to treat all people equally as it should be and I expect the same in return and have received the same in spades many times over. Your posts appear to come from a very fair and open-minded, intellegent person and nobody can ask for anything more. I for one completely enjoy the content of your posts and am looking for much more friendly conversation in the future. I am proud to be your friend.
Cheers---

Dawn HH

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Susan (the original)

Time will tell. I believe I'm safe in saying I've got as much experience with these forums as most anyone here. (9 years) I recently reopened my membership after a friend brought to my attention the forum had been reorganized. I even received an e-mail from hhplace telling me the forum had been "cleaned up".

Personally, my belief structure, my values, my experiences, and my life style are "worlds away" from that which is typically depicted on these forums and websites. There's no adversarial intent in that comment. It's simply a statement of fact about me. Those who have known me for the past 9 years know exactly what I'm talking about.

It's all about behavior. It's no secret I don't fancy men in high heels. At the same time I don't be-little them, I don't call them names, nor do I harrass them. I never have. Again, anyone who has known me for 9 years would have to attest to that. I've met some incredibly nice gentlemen here (who elect to wear heels) and remain in contact with them.

On the other hand if I described what the high heeled males have done to me and several women like me, the moderators would be busy deleting my posts. If I described what I've experienced helping other women in the past 5 years I would be banned from the forum. It falls under the heading of "ignore the obvious and deny the reality". Again, it's all about behavior.

This will probably come as a shock, but I believe the rule denying the fellas participation on the girls section was counter productive. The recent gender poll directly suggests about a third of the "girls" are probably fellas. So why bother. All it should have taken was the insistance of some fundamental respect. Again, it's all about behavior.

Presently there is a post on the "Ultra high heels........" section about getting permanently high heeled feet dated 12/7/06. It was posted by a new member, user125. He scripted some well thought out questions with what I think is a genuine interest. The majority of his post dealt with pregnancy, birth, and early child care. I've been there, done that, twice. I was 35 the second time. I'm now 57. I truly believe this gentleman deserves a complete sincere answer. When I tried to discuss those realities a few years ago all the male experts insisted they knew more about it than I did. Someone wanted to know if I had an orgasm during child birth (what a discusting thought) since my feet were permanently in a high heel arch. The really noteable thing was NO ONE found anything wrong with the comment including the moderators. I don't know about the rest of the women here but child birth is something very very very special to me. Again, it's all about behavior.

I've considered posting a comprehensive reply to user125. But you know what, he didn't even give us a name to say hello to. My name is Susan, that's what is on my birth certificate. Again, it's all about behavior. I really don't care if someone uses a fictious name. But gosh, use Bill, Joe, Charlie, Doug, or some sense of a name. It seems most of the girls around here do. Common decency and fundamental respect.

The door was opened for this discussion so I got up on my soap box. I do that a bit frequently but in other places.

Susan

chris100575

Thanks for an incisive post Susan. I had heard from some corners that you were dead against guys wearing heels, but decided that I'd make up my own mind. Personally I'm not in favour of permanently high-heeled feet, but as you say, we're all different.

While I understand that you can't go into specifics, I am curious as what you have experienced, and if the fact that these males wore heels might not have been incidental. I had an unhappy relationship and very painful split from a lady who rode a motorbike. I have never felt the need to avoid other ladies with motorbikes though.

The reason that I sign all my posts is that I found that "Chris" and various other permutations of my given name had usually long been taken before I arrived at a particular site, otherwise that's what I'd use. My first name and date of birth however has (thus far!) been available, but it's not how I'd choose to be addressed.

All the best, Chris

MrsHeels

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Heelfan

Can I remind everyone that it's NOT just two forums "For The Guys" versus "For The Girls", but there's a very good "For Everyone" forum too, and many other very worthwhile forums on this very excellent site. Its creators could not have succeeded better in providing something for everyone!

As for the resurrection of the HH Meeting Place site, I am certainly one of those who applaud its new invigoration 101%! VERY WELL DONE TO RICHIE THE NEW WEBMASTER AND ALL HIS NEW FRESH, KEEN MODERATORS!!!!
Long may it continue!

Cheers, Heelfan

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pussyinboots

I could not agree with you more about heterosexual guys in heels - and the way their Partners are regarded these days.

MY guy wears heels too - he's a rock musician and wears them on stage - and for pleasure - and while we are both accepted and loved for WHO we are, not WHAT we wear, in the chilled out, laid back world of music, if we walk down the high street in our OWN town, minding our business - we quite often become the target of staring, verbal abuse - and sometimes physical threats - mainly from 'chavvie' teenage boys and girls, but sometimes from grown men and women - who to be honest, are behaving no better than children themselves. I mean - what the hell does it matter WHAT someone else wears? It's NONE of their business! Women also give us strange looks - especially those aged around the 20-35 group.

Have these people got no lives of there own? What happened to good manners and minding your own business? Personally - I think people are so scared of being individual - and worried about what others think of them all the time (as if the majority actually cared) - the 'herd' instinct prevails in fashion and looks.

These days - girls are supposed to dress and behave like 'street trash' and men are hooked into this 'convict'/'hip-hop'/'ghetto-gang' image/culture.

The 'lad/ladette' fashion has destroyed individualism and re-inforced narrow-minded stereotypes in many places - notably Britain and America - along with corroding any tolerance of free-expression - and any remnants of decency, respect and moral fibre. (The insidious spread of the abuse of alcohol and chemical narcotics doesn't do anything for the mental health of the human race either - especially in the youth of today).

I know this is a little off topic - but THANK GOODNESS we have a place like this where people of all persuasions can come together through a common passion.

Yes - I agree that the 'For The Girls' section should be just that - as the 'Guys' section should be also. Society hasn't quite gone mad enough to insist on mixed changing rooms at all sports matches or leisure centres - so we shouldn't either.

There's plenty of room here for open discussions between the sexes - so it is only fitting that we respect each others 'Private' areas.

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Ozzard

Susan - thanks for the honest views and for being yourself. Some of us appreciate it!

As for real names... I *think* my Web site is visible on my profile - certainly it was on the old site, and I would prefer it to be again on this one. That, plus the fact that I tend to use the same ID everywhere I go, gives more than enough information to track me down!

- Peter

DandyDude

Susan, I think I understand what you are talking about when you refer to what heeling men have "done" to you and other women you are referring to. Please correct me if I am wrong, but are you thinking about the sort of man who acts extremely stereotypically masculine; wears heels in secret and lies to his wife about it; has feelings of shame; and then up and decides he wants to live 24/7 as a woman or unreasonable facsimile thereof? If so, I understand your worries as a *certain amount* of men who start out wearing heels DO end up leaving their families to live as pretend women. There are sites all over the internet where men brag about the steps they take to achieve their virtual womanhood. I can think of some sites that even advocate "treatment" of young boys who don't act enough like the stereotype of what society thinks they ought to be. I'd say if that sort of thing didn't bother you, you would be quite perverse. However, not all heeling men are that way. There are some, such as myself, who consider it to be more or less a style. I NEVER try and pass myself off as a woman, I've no desire. For some men, the stress of the male role is so much that they start to confuse society's role with something genetic, thereby going off the deep end and becoming entranced with the idea of being a woman. My personality is more integrated than to have that happen.

As for the sex-segregation of the forums, I agree with you. I think by doing so, a new thrill is set up for the gender crowd. What better way for them to get vicarious thrills than to register and post as a woman in a supposedly all-woman forum? That's just another form of "passing."

As for the childbirth/orgasm thing, 'twas a crude attempt at levity based on the fact that women's feet/toes become as en pointe when the woman is quite aroused.

Names? I think a lot of men are slithering around these boards afraid of being recognised, which would be why they don't use names but nyms. You can call me Jay if you'd like.

Please feel free to speak your mind.

Jay

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DandyDude

To PIB, do you think heels for men will ever become fashionable again or do you think as I do, that society has gone so far into the Tims/FUBU/chaff look that it will never happen? Have you thought of posting a link to your bf's band pix so we can see an actual male musician wearing heels? Where does he get his heels?

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MrsHeels

[quote=DandyDude;119360] I understand your worries as a lot of men who start out wearing heels DO end up leaving their families to live as pretend women.


Hello DandyDude -

Your remark above brothers me.......

When you say "alot" of men, I would like to ask you how many? Where does your information come from?

I happen to know a few men that have worn heels for quite a while, and would not leave a relationship to live as a pretend women. They would not "pretend" anything, as they are well respected, decent men, who can be trusted to be completely open and honest.

While I will agree that there are people who do pretend way too much in life, and at times to the negative effect of others. Your remark sounds stereotypical to me, in reguard to "Men wearing heels"....

Just my not so humble opinion...

Katherine

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