New sex-segregated rules

DandyDude · 17th November 2006, 09:00

Okay, now no male is allowed to post ANYTHING in the "girls'" forum for any reason. Supposedly that will bring back women to posting there. Well, what kind of women post there, based on what I've seen so far of course? You have a woman who was a long ago poster emphatically saying that she would have nothing to do with men who wear heels. She also intimates that men who wear heels are NECESSARILLY trying to pose as women. While that may be true of some, now most apparently, of the posters here, it is not mechanistic.

I recall when the problems about that forum appeared to be getting to a head back awhile. There was a poster who kept insisting ALL men who wear heels want to be women. She took people's postings out of context, argued with quite a few, including me. I gave it back to her two for one. Some others agreed with me, while others practically encouraged her abuse and supplicated to her rantings.

The problems started when an influx of the gender crowd appeared on the boards. They started to post there and gradually took over the forum, driving the few real women away. They were given their own forum, but the seeds of division they had planted grew quite fast. That has been discussed many times elsewhere, and not only by me. It eventually led to the first of the "reforms", that all topics there had to be strictly about women, which was reasonable, if a bit stilting to the postings. After a few twists and turns, it got to the point it is now with no males allowed whatsoever on that forum.

Perhaps some of the women who posted here before will return. Would they be the kind who thinks all men who wear heels are budding trannies? I'm inclined to believe so. If so, is the male segment of this board so desperate that they would encourage abuse by women and for the sole purpose of keeping women on the board? As it appears a lot on this board are into forced transvestism/"feminisation," it would not suprise me in the least.

While the Stilettos Goddess herself, LHeels of course, had issues with men wearing heels, she fully admitted her contradictions, and was willing to engage in some dialogue with men. She is well missed by me. Great heels, and a bit of a brain as well, albeit a bit frustrated.

I believe I used the coffee klatch analogy first in terms of how women tend to see their forum. As I also said, men who wear heels have different issues such as gult feelings over liking heels. I do not see the influx of the gender crowd as being conducive to men's coming to terms with something that is really harmless, and I also see the extreme attacks on heel-wearing men by supposed women I think would be better served by the likes of style.com as having the same effects. Funny how the women on those more overtly female oriented boards are more likely to be willing to at least consider the idea of men in heels than on this supposedly sexually integrated one.

I know that I'm not the only one who wonders just how many of the shit-stirring female nyms who were here for awhile were actually men posing as women. Not posing as trannies, but posing as actual women.

Again, perhaps some women will post, perhaps not. Perhaps the forum will be taken over by poseurs, perhaps not. If women do post, will they be spouting the same old rubbish about heeled men being trannies de facto? Time will tell.

I now turn this topic over to any and all comments. Thank you.

HeelD · 17th November 2006, 10:45

Sole reason why women are in a minority at the HHPlace:

Women don't need a forum dedicated to High Heels to discuss about wearing High Heels. They already have The Fashion Spot, Vogue or Style.com for that. Women don't need emotional support when wearing High Heels because it is socially acceptable for them to wear heels without ridicule (although ridicule for men is dwindling) and worrying about what people think about their sexuality.

hoverfly · 17th November 2006, 11:08

I would have to agree that most women accept or at lest tolerate men in heels out side virtual reality. Only a few on this board who been absolute against men in heels have proved to be unwilling to apply common and intellectual brain power to look beyond the cover of a book. But then again the older the person the less accepting they are to new ideas and change. Or others are down right bigots, and brain washed religious fanatics. I see no reason why men should be involved in the Girls section any more and should be left to the Girls. Those who have been against men in heels have clearly, acutely sunk their own ship with out us have to point it out. Let them seek freely, here unless it violates the rules and let the mods post links to the guys section if we have something to say about it. As what I have seen on other boards the majority of women are not agents men in heels, just steer those to those board and let the women discuss it

DandyDude · 17th November 2006, 11:14

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Originally Posted by Heel-D

Sole reason why women are in a minority at the HHPlace:

Women don't need a forum dedicated to High Heels to discuss about wearing High Heels. They already have The Fashion Spot, Vogue or Style.com for that. Women don't need emotional support when wearing High Heels because it is socially acceptable for them to wear heels without ridicule (although ridicule for men is dwindling) and worrying about what people think about their sexuality.

Bravo!

Personally, I think the only way that any female posters will be regulars here is if they are the more extreme types such as LaurieHeels. Yes, women have the regular fashion boards to discuss what they wear, and heels are acccepted for them so it does not have the pathos of men who wear them.

In short, I agree with you about the women, but try telling anyone that. As for male acceptability, I believe it to be getting worse, for the reasons that the dl thing is so strong plus the tendency of the media and people in general to think of anything not "regular" as "transgender."

DandyDude · 17th November 2006, 11:25

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Originally Posted by hoverfly

I would have to agree that most women accept or at lest tolerate men in heels out side virtual reality. Only a few on this board who been absolute against men in heels have proved to be unwilling to apply common and intellectual brain power to look beyond the cover of a book. But then again the older the person the less accepting they are to new ideas and change. Or others are down right bigots, and brain washed religious fanatics. I see no reason why men should be involved in the Girls section any more and should be left to the Girls. Those who have been against men in heels have clearly, acutely sunk their own ship with out us have to point it out. Let them seek freely, here unless it violates the rules and let the mods post links to the guys section if we have something to say about it. As what I have seen on other boards the majority of women are not agents men in heels, just steer those to those board and let the women discuss it

I say, let the women who bitched about men being in that forum lie in the bed they themselves made. Let them put up or shut up, meaning post or don't post.

I would dialogue with a few of the more respect-worthy women in the past, but they are gone and I don't wish to argue with the "men in heels want to be women ipso facto" crowd that seems to be having their way. So, I don't really give a flying anymore about it.

chris100575 · 17th November 2006, 18:11

It's a shame that it's had to come to "don't post in the girls' section" from "only post in the girls' section about women wearing heels", but I'm prepared to respect it.

I'm aware of whom the first post is referring to, but as I joined the board after all the furore I'm prepared to give her a clean slate. I don't agree with a lot of the things it was said she said, but I didn't hear them first hand.

I just hope that our few remaining female members will stay, and the the new rules will prevent their section being overwelmed by TV / TG posters. Only time will tell.

Chris

DandyDude · 17th November 2006, 18:45

If you want to see what the fuss was about, check the older threads with similar topics in the female forum. That person and I really went at it. I'd gotten tired of the same old refrain and so many of the other posters were scraping and grovelling that I just couldn't ignore it anymore.

To the admins: I've noticed you are deleting men's posts on older threads there brought back up. I am asking you to not do that, please grandfather those threads in. For one thing, they were made before the rule change. Secondly, it throws the metre/continuity off of the thread immensely. Thank you.

chris100575 · 17th November 2006, 18:59

I'm not disagreeing with you, but would prefer to take her as I find her. That said, one of her recent posts in "for the girls" I did find provocative. I think she has issues, but MrsHeels did a great job of replying.

Chris

dr1819 · 18th November 2006, 00:42

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Originally Posted by DandyDude

Okay, now no male is allowed to post ANYTHING in the "girls'" forum for any reason. Supposedly that will bring back women to posting there. Well, what kind of women post there, based on what I've seen so far of course?

Actually, a few years ago, before uncontrollable men drove them off, there was a rather large contingent of women who posted there regularly, on a wide variety of quite good, healthy, wholesome, female-heeling topics.

They enjoyed themselves, and life was good.

Along came a bunch of dudes who thought that because they wore heels and other feminine clothing they could post there willy-nilly.

The women felt violated, robbed of their territory, and almost all of them left.

Since this is a site about heels, not about males who wear heels and who outnumber the women in the women's section by 5 to 1, we came up with this rule to restore balance to this website.

Please respect our decision.

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Originally Posted by DandyDude

If you want to see what the fuss was about, check the older threads with similar topics in the female forum. That person and I really went at it. I'd gotten tired of the same old refrain and so many of the other posters were scraping and grovelling that I just couldn't ignore it anymore.

To the admins: I've noticed you are deleting men's posts on older threads there brought back up. I am asking you to not do that, please grandfather those threads in. For one thing, they were made before the rule change. Secondly, it throws the metre/continuity off of the thread immensely. Thank you.

From what I've seen, older threads prior to the moratorium date have indeed been grandfathered.

There may be a slip here and there, but that date was very well discussed and will be honored. I'll bring up possible slips on the moderator's forum.

Thank you.

MrsHeels · 18th November 2006, 01:09

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Originally Posted by DandyDude

I would dialogue with a few of the more respect-worthy women in the past, but they are gone and I don't wish to argue with the "men in heels want to be women ipso facto" crowd that seems to be having their way. So, I don't really give a flying anymore about it.

Hello Dandy Dude -

There are a few new members who are women, I have found them to be respect - worthy, and can only ask that you please not generalize us, and give each new lady a chance to earn your respect and dialogue.....

As for men posting in the girls section, I find all of this silly. I am a strong "Girl", and cannot be run off just because there are more men here then girls. If I felt you were overwhelming me in "my" section, I would respectfully tell you.

I personally find the mens opinion of a womens subject informing and important to me, but this is me, and I am not the administrator of this forum.

Would be great if we could all share and play nice....I wear a size 11, Anyone wanna come play with me???

Katherine (Mrs. Heels to the Mr. that wears my heels too)