Russia

johnieheel · 10th August 2008, 07:23

Whats up with Russia and Georgia. Any body know whats really going on?

Bubba136 · 10th August 2008, 14:47

Confusing and complicated situation dealing with inter-ethnic, regional and international situations dating back to pre-historic times (6000 BC). Depends on how far you want to go back.

1) Ethnic minority separatist movements – primarily on the part of the Ossetians and the Abkhaz, demanded fuller recognition in the new order of the early 1990

Essentially (and least complicated), the Russian province of Georgia, in a fit of nationalism, declared it's independence, broke away from the "mother country," and - in general - pissed the Russian government off. Lots of natural resources in the province that Russia no longer controls (Oil, pipelines, etc., etc., etc.) Russian Govt. planting "a big foot" into the situation and going to beat the people back into the "fold. (We'll teach those slimy b"*tar**s to leave our federation." )

Nothing the rest of the world can do without declaring all out war with Russia....which, no one is about to do. (Russians are militarily powerful enough to do what ever they want to do without fearing interference from other counties (read the USA).

Bottom line (my opinion, only) Russia wins after leveling everything in the province and the people living there cry "UNCLE." Nothing like a slash and burn - waste everything - response to teach ingrates a lesson.

(to learn more than you ever wanted to know about Georgia go to: Georgia

highestheels · 10th August 2008, 15:57

About three years ago I played rugby against a touring Georgian club side and they were fantastics fun loving guys. Its a shame that they are going through this

johnieheel · 10th August 2008, 17:42

So now That idiot BUSH wants to get involved in there business also and once again, try to save the world by getting a bunch of our cousins killed?

yozz · 10th August 2008, 18:47

Well, the story is a bit more complicated.
Georgia is of course one of the republics that became independent when the Soviet
Union fel apart. That by itself isn't a cause for war as you can see with the other
republics.
One problem is that there is a region (Ossetia) that for whatever reason was split in
two and half of it belonged with Russia and the other half with Georgia.
Now it so happens that people in that part of the world think that happiness is
coupled to the amount of territory you control. Hence the idea of letting those two
regions get together is unthinkable. (Like with Kurdistan and who knows how many other
parts in the world).
De facto South Ossetia broke away and had more or less autonomy, until the current
president had to make a show of getting it back after he got elected in 2004.
Of course the Russians were stimulating this `independence movement because it
was aimed at reunifying with noth Ossetia which is part of Russia, under the Russian
umbrella (they probably paid for it).
Comes the next part: Georgia wanted to become part of the NATO. Bush was for.
Some European members however blocked it. If Georgia would have been member
of the NATO, we would now have been officially at war with Russia.
Russia doesn't like the idea of Georgia being a member of NATO. Some analists
here claim that this is one of the reasons of the Russian involvement. To scare
NATO into not letting Georgia in.
Russia and Georgia had been building up this conflict. Russia by putting troups
at the border (they were really ready when Georgia moved their army in).
Georgia was telling the west about this. What was the west to do?
Then, Georgia invaded south Ossetia a few days ago in order to `take it back'.
The Russians were ready for it.

Take your pick on who you think more responsible, sympathetic or whatever.

Y.

t-strap lover · 10th August 2008, 21:00

I don't think the President has anything to do with that situation, and won't get involved. Why don't we keep politics out of this site.

Bubba136 · 10th August 2008, 21:27

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Originally Posted by highestheels

About three years ago I played rugby against a touring Georgian club side and they were fantastics fun loving guys. Its a shame that they are going through this

Hey, what country or society doesn't have its share of fun loving guys? Even some of the people that control the government probably have their moments. Doesn't mean squat, however.

Johnnieheels, like Yazz says, it's a Bit more complicated than what I made it. Besides, you really need a program to keep the players straight. But just thinking about the intricacies in this situation can give you a headache and like me, I doubt you've really the interest or span of attention needed that would permit you to sort it all out.....because it's "boring" and, like me, I believe you'd soon lose interest.

Besides, it all a big tangled web of geopolitical stuff that centers on those that have "the power" want to keep "the power" and will do everything they can do not to lose " the power" -- regardless of who gets hurt.

HappyFeat · 11th August 2008, 03:56

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Originally Posted by johnieheel

Whats up with Russia and Georgia. Any body know whats really going on?

I think the Russians have taken Atlanta and are marching on to Savannah. Or is that the Yankees. I never can seem to keep that straight.

Sorry attempt at levity....

Bubba136 · 11th August 2008, 13:16

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Originally Posted by HappyFeat

I think the Russians have taken Atlanta and are marching on to Savannah. Or is that the Yankees. I never can seem to keep that straight.

Sorry attempt at levity....

I'll answer that question in just a minute. I've got to check my copy of "Gone With the Wind" first.

Guy N. Heels · 11th August 2008, 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by yozz

Well, the story is a bit more complicated.
Georgia is of course one of the republics that became independent when the Soviet
Union fel apart. That by itself isn't a cause for war as you can see with the other
republics.
One problem is that there is a region (Ossetia) that for whatever reason was split in two and half of it belonged with Russia and the other half with Georgia. Now it so happens that people in that part of the world think that happiness is coupled to the amount of territory you control...
De facto South Ossetia broke away and had more or less autonomy, until the current president had to make a show of getting it back after he got elected in 2004. Of course the Russians were stimulating this `independence movement because it was aimed at reunifying with north Ossetia which is part of Russia...

Comes the next part: Georgia wanted to become part of the NATO. Bush was (in favor). Some European members however blocked it. If Georgia would have been member
of the NATO, we would now have been officially at war with Russia.

Russia doesn't like the idea of Georgia being a member of NATO. Some analists here claim that this is one of the reasons of the Russian involvement. To scare NATO into not letting Georgia in. Russia and Georgia had been building up this conflict; Russia by putting troops at the border (they were really ready when Georgia moved their army in). Georgia was telling the west about this. What was the west to do? Then, Georgia invaded south Ossetia a few days ago in order to `take it back'. The Russians were ready for it...

Moreover, much like ancient Rome, the typical Russian response to any situation is to send tanks and military force.

So it really doesen't matter much what the "problem" is, if the Ruskies don't like it they'll probably send their tanks for a first-hand report on the situation.

God save us all.