The Male Lesbian and the Fashion Freestyler

kneehighs · 2nd January 2007, 20:00

On behalf of a former member of hhplace.org, I submit to my fellow hhplace friends the following food for thought.

Do any of you envy female privilege? The right to be passive in female/male interactions? Do you identify with females through the wearing of high heels?

TXT-1 · 3rd January 2007, 00:04

I am all for some labels... "High Functioning Autisim" as it has made me understand myself better...

some labels like "metrosexual" and Male Lesbian" make me scratch my head and wonder what the hell are they going on about.... sometimes I think there are too many labels....

I like to wear heels because it's part of my Autisim... it's NOT a fetish if I wasn't autistic I wouldn't be here... for the same reason I don't want kids...

also I have a liking for PVC Pants/trousers/jeans although I don't have a pair yet...

although I did see a goth girl wearing 7.5" block heels black patent 7.5" platform Knee boots and velt SEVERE envy...

JSpikeheels · 3rd January 2007, 00:30

first of all thank you 'kneehighs' for opening a fascinating topic...

...I am having some trouble making a logical connection between a "male lesbian' and a "fashion freestyler"... the author of the linked article limits his anecdotes and interview material to disaffected males in their relations with females but makes no connection as to how this unhappiness may be reflected in his choices of attire...

..except to, perhaps, suggest that "freestylers" are unhappy with their roles in their relationships and "freestyling" is a form of stress-release/emotional sublimation of their frustrations at another level...

..and there may, indeed, be some merit in this suggestion but some of the author's assumptions take some pretty big leaps in their conclusions...

...as I said-great topic...these kinds of subjects contribute to an effort at understanding what makes us what we are...

..hope you guys add to this ...let's see what we can develop...

Jim
JSpikeheels

kneehighs · 3rd January 2007, 02:28

JSpikeheels I'll be sure to notify the proper person of your gratitude! I hope my thread title or subsequent questions didn't misdirect anyones thinking . There's alot of intelligent people on this forum and it will be interesting to see what comes of this.

DandyDude · 3rd January 2007, 02:48

I'm guessing the former poster is someone who went past freestyling into drag into transsexualism and now calls themselves a "lesbian" because they are still with women.

As for "male lesbian," I think of Eddie Izzard when I hear that phrase. While he wears things considered "feminine" albeit it in a very butch way, I don't see how that makes him a lesbian of any stripe.

This topic brings me to something of my past. When I was in my early teens and going to school in New York (I was a dancer/singer/actor), I started to hang around women's bars. I would dance with the baby dykes by the jukebox. I became known as a "dyke daddy." In fact, I was given the title by a woman I knew then. Because of my family connections and my studies, I knew a lot of homosexual woman, especially in theatre/music. They influenced my likes in women as well. As a certain woman said to me when I asked her what kind of women she likes, "I like aggressive femmes and cute butches." My DD dream is Portia DeRossi, aggressive label femme and all around babe.

I admit, I envy women's freedom in certain areas such as clothing, that does not translate into a desire to be a woman. My personal style is very, very dykey. Tight jeans and stiletto boots, that is dyke style. Of couse that's not the only type of woman that wears that sort of thing, but that was dyke style.

Nowadays, the term "dyke daddy" is used by extreme butches shading into wanting to be men.

kneehighs · 3rd January 2007, 03:05

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Originally Posted by DandyDude

I'm guessing the former poster is someone who went past freestyling into drag into transsexualism and now calls themselves a "lesbian" because they are still with women.
....<snip>....

The person is a strict "freestyler" in every sense of the word. Not a hint of tv or ts tendencies present.

DandyDude · 3rd January 2007, 03:22

Okay, point taken.

JSpikeheels · 3rd January 2007, 03:34

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Originally Posted by kneehighs

JSpikeheels There's a lot of intelligent people on this forum and it will be interesting to see what comes of this.

...a guy may be "intelligent"...a guy may be inquisitive"...but few guys have both intelligence and inquisitiveness...

..which is why most men (in general) have not reached the "tipping point" that permits them the self-expression to explore the "other part of themselves" and look at us with "shock and awe" (tongue in cheek) when they see someone like we...(and because if they did consider expressing themselves they'd be on this forum..LOL)

Jim
JSpikeheels

kneehighs · 3rd January 2007, 03:37

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Originally Posted by DandyDude

Okay, point taken.

Thanks

JNR · 3rd January 2007, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSpikeheels

...a guy may be "intelligent"...a guy may be inquisitive"...but few guys have both intelligence and inquisitiveness...

..which is why most men (in general) have not reached the "tipping point" that permits them the self-expression to explore the "other part of themselves" and look at us with "shock and awe" (tongue in cheek) when they see someone like we...(and because if they did consider expressing themselves they'd be on this forum..LOL)

Jim
JSpikeheels

Not all men really want to explore "their other side." Some (greater percentage?) are quite content to be exactly what they are.....well adjusted male members of the species (not to say that we aren't "well adjusted").