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26th January 2006, 11:12
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My Mood: Rep Power: 29  | Okay, after last nights events, I went out again tonight and repeated a "first date" with a T.V. Producer from a Cable TV channel. This is exactly the kind of woman that I do best with. Seems like the more successful they are, the more open minded they are.
I went on a first date in my black Nine West 4" stiletto pumps. Add in some New York Dark Wash Seven For All Mankind Jeans, a Tuxedo Blazer from the Gap, and a black silk tuxedo vintage shirt and according to my date, "I like it. It looks good."
We started the night off at 8:00 p.m. in a Meatpacking District bar/lounge called Highline
We treated ourselves to some great food at great affordable prices. It was a delicious meal overall. We also talked until we were the last ones to leave the dining lounge area. The restaurant had closed at 11:30, we were still talking and we decided to migrate to a nearby Meatpacking District bar called Apartment. Its actually an old loft they converted into a bar. We hung out there until 4:15 am talking.
And yes, we did talk about my pumps. Actually, we had to share a table at first with a group from Vancouver. They were in town for New York City Fashion Week buying textiles to bring back to Vancouver. I thought it was cool that both the guy and the girl complimented by "fitted" tuxedo blazer. Anyhow, later on in the evening, the girl from Vancouver had lost her passport. So she started to dig beneath out table. My date was trying to be helpful and she also looked beneath our table at which point she totally saw my pumps completely exposed.
"you are wearing pointies!" she said. She then dropped the issue, but I could see a slight change in appearance in her face. I'm not sure what it was. Then I was nervous for a few minutes thinking that she might not want to continue the evening anymore. Boy was I wrong.
The night went on again until about thirty minutes later when we talked about my shoes again. She wanted to know where I bought them. Nine West. Then I had to explain myself a little bit. I told her that I like how they make me feel more confident. They increase my height, they make my legs look longer, they arch my back, they put my shoulders back a bit more, they improve the elegance of my walk. And she bought it! She added that when she wears pointy heels and she is walking down the street it makes her feel "sexy and confident." She also kept asking, "I can't believe that you are comfortable in those. I mean, I've always wanted guys to understand what we go through to look good."
When I was dropping her off at her place the topic resurfaced. Ultimately, she said that as long as I was comfortable wearing womens heels, then thats all that mattered and she thought it was awesome that I wore what I wanted to wear. She was just concerned that: 1. It might lead to more "crossdressing". Whats to say that it won't lead to a skirt later. I said, yeah "a skirt next, a halter top night dress next...thats actually not what I am into. Whats to say that it will lead to more or to less, you can't prove either one. " Then she asked "are you sure this isn't somekind of transgender thing?" I said, "I never had a desire to become a woman, so no. Nor have I ever had the desire to "pass" in public as a woman. The highest goal of a crossdresser is to pass as a woman in public. Do I look like that is what I am trying to do with you?"
Then she said, "Thats what you are into so that is cool. Besides, there are alot of other things about you besides your shoes!" She even wanted to trade shoes and boots with me but my boats were too big for her size 8's. After awhile, she totally opened up to the idea and was supportive. She was glad that a man knew what women went through to wear pointy toe stiletto high heels. She kept asking me, "aren't those making your feet sore?" I said, "no, I buy a size bigger than I need when getting stiletto's, so no problems for me." Overall, she thought it was daring that I wore stiletto pumps on our first date and she was just curious as I was the first guy ever that she had dated that wore pumps out. She liked it at the end and was cool with it!!
And she was beautiful, successful (the easiest to talk to) and educated. Damn, she is cool with Freestyle Fashion. |
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26th January 2006, 11:25
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My Mood: Rep Power: 11  | Glad to hear that- again it looks like the most important thing is assertivity and confidence. Maybe I'll gather some to wear high heels someday, just like I found confidence to go out in leather outfits everyday :). A part of my style.
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26th January 2006, 14:38
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Originally Posted by tubehead Glad to hear that- again it looks like the most important thing is assertivity and confidence. Maybe I'll gather some to wear high heels someday, just like I found confidence to go out in leather outfits everyday :). A part of my style. | Oh yeah, confidence and the ability to clearly articulate my thoughts made all the difference. At one point she asked if I wasn't just doing some kind of experiment or something. Her main fear was built on a slippery slope argument though: if its heels now, couldn't that lead to skirts later? If its heels now, couldn't that lead to "halter top dresses" later? I've read from accepting partners of crossdressers that at the beginning of their relationship, they would rather have their man be a total crossdresser as opposed to a partial crossdresser. Its easier to gauge behavior about the future, since the entire spectrum of cding is already covered. I have a feeling that is probably a common concern of women too. So when you are first coming out to someone in your life, you may very well want to have a canned rebuttal designed to overcome that objection.
This girl was a tough cookie too. Also keep in mind that she is only 29. I think its easier to get our views across to women that are past child bearing age. They no longer have a need for a traditional man to go out to hunt, kill, and bring home the bacon. IMHO, younger women who are still on the market for a mate are a different breed. Since I didn't have a canned response pre-rehearsed, I ad libbed my response, "That really assumes that there is something wrong with that to begin with...besides thats not what I am into."
It felt great though. Walking up Eighth Avenue. Our steps were in synch (something I always do with people I'm really making an impression on). So as her heels were clicking along the pavement, mine were clicking along in harmonious tandem as well. So for a moment, I was really an accepted member of the Manhattan Academy For High Heel Wearing Women. I was allowed into the club in public and that was definitely a high. |
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27th January 2006, 00:37
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Cudos! It sounds like you handled that situation with great apomb and confidence very well. If there should ever be a second date with that gal, I'm sure we all would be quite interested in reading the results. Keep us posted.
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28th January 2006, 01:42
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Rep Power: 22  | Sounds like quite a lady you found there kneehighs. Maybe a keeper?
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28th January 2006, 02:06
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My Mood: Rep Power: 29  | I definitely want to stay in touch with her, thats for sure. We got to the point in our conversation where we were talking about "so, where are you from?" She asked me to guess. I said, "I don't know. Beautiful olive complected skin, dark hair...Italian...Jewish descent?" She said, "no, I'm Guatemalan." Then I was like "You have got to be kidding me! I'm Guatemalan. What are the odds of that happening in NYC??????" We were both equally astounded and both equally positively surprised!
Then again, there's alot of other girls that are equally independently minded and successful that I'd like to go on first dates with. Only time will tell.
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28th January 2006, 02:32
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Rep Power: 22  | Well right now, my big trip planned for this year is to go back to Italy. As I work two jobs it can be difficult to get a week or so off at a time. But I'd love to come visit the Big Apple. If I can find the time, you'll be one of the first to know.
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28th January 2006, 04:32
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Originally Posted by Shafted Well right now, my big trip planned for this year is to go back to Italy. As I work two jobs it can be difficult to get a week or so off at a time. But I'd love to come visit the Big Apple. If I can find the time, you'll be one of the first to know. | Cool! We'd rip this town apart if you ever did visit!! |
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5th February 2006, 02:10
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Some people might describe me as impulsive and occassionally, I might be. But to be spontaneous is to be really alive. I love discharging an impulse similar to setting off an explosion. Variety is truly the spice of life to me, and my trip to London was another adventure into new sensations, experiences, and possibilities. Wherever I went, excitement was soon to follow...
While in London I had the chance to meet up with my good friend, Heel-D. We arranged to meet at the Vue Theater in Leicester Square. I did get a chance to snap a pic of this lady in her black ankle strap pumps. Before I knew it, Heel-D was waving across the street to me after shaking hands and such, we went to grab a bite to eat at Satsuma in Wardour Street: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...n/DSCF1862.jpg Soho London Lounge: where I felt Freestyle is truly Fashion
After we ate, we walked to Soho. The cobblestone streets can be a little tricky in stilettos, but we both managed. Heel-D snapped this picture of me on the way. You can barely see my heels, but I was more concerned with the London architecture. I can't remember the name of the bar that we finally decided on, but all I knew is that it had more women that I could see from the front window that all the others. Heel-D took a seat near the front window and a group of three women. I treated us to a drink. When I sat down I purposely crossed my leg towards the group of three women. Heck, I even put the point of my boot right within one inch of the rear of one of the girls. Not a single double glance, not a single secretive "don't look, but the guy next to you has on heels"...All I know is that the brunette sitting next to me noticed. How do I know that? She dropped some coins on the floor right next to my shoe. When she bent down to pick it up, her face was within inches of my heel. Still, she didn't do a double take. And when she sat down, she didn't cover her mouth and whisper into the ear of her friends...neither of her friends leaned out of their way to glance at my shoes. WOW. This is the U.K. for sure! In nyc, a group of women easily would have passed the word along. But not in Soho, London thats for sure! I have to decide if I am going to visit Paris or Prague or London next, but freestyling here was a complete breeze! How a knee high boot stunt caused the Spanish Inquisition
After leaving that lounge, I decided to get a little crazy for my tastes. So, I tucked my pants into my boots and the result was this. Unfortunately, I was wearing boot cut jeans so the jeans didn't tuck neatly near the top rim of the boot. It looked sloppy in my opinion and Heel-D's too, but that wasn't the point. The point was to have fun. And have fun we did! After laughing our way down a couple of blocks, a couple from Spain stopped dead in their tracks and the girl pointed right at my boots! She said something in Castilian Spanish (I could tell by how they pronounced their y's and l's). They were friendly about it, and if this is the worst that can happen, then the worst is the best. The guy was like, "I think the boots would look better with a black coat and no hand bag." The girl said something similar and then asked, "Are you gay?" By this time, Heel-D was still picking his jaw off the ground standing in total excitement over what was happening. I was enjoying myself too. I looked both of them in the eye and said, "No, I am heterosexual. I loooovvvee women." At the same time that I said that, I grabbed the girls hand and rubbed it a little. She didn't pull her hand away, but actually reciprocated. Then I said, "Que rico eres tuya.." Which roughly translated means "How delicious you are." At this point, the guy told us he was getting married tomorrow and Heel-D and I would be welcome guests at the wedding party. Of course he added that the boots would not work there. Anyway, the chemistry had been brewing and before long, the guy was egging on his female friend to kiss me. I'll leave the rest to your imagination, but suffice to say that an email address was given to me and both Heel-D and I were invited out for a longer evening with these Spaniards. Near the very end of our conversation, the guy finally noticed Heel-D's heels too! LOL. This was too funny. NOW the guy and girl were totally surprised! Soo funny to see their reactions.
Electricity was in the air and had the evening continued, who knows what else would have happened. Excitement, energy, and fun were filling the air! After that, Heel-D showed me to the 7 bus line bound for Notting Hill and we parted ways. Both of us sweared to do this again, and if there is any reason why I come back to London, it is mostly to visit my Freestyling Friends. And if I do revisit, it will be in advance. And be forewarned any who attend--you must be ready to party...ALL...NIGHT...LONG!
p.s. here is a photo of Heel-D's outfit: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...n/DSCF1877.jpg |
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5th February 2006, 11:05
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I, for one, am so sorry I was not able to join you and Heel-D for the evening, sadly it was just too short notice for me to work it into the schedule.
I am glad you had a great evening in "town" and yes it is easy to freestyle in London.
Happy days.
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