Beigeboots

Ok, so firstly I have noticed that there are quite a number of women wearing some serious stilletto heels around Edinburgh the last few weeks, more so than I've noticed before. Some of the heels I would expect to find on fetish clothing websites, although not sure where the ladies bought them.
I'm more of a high heeled boots kind of guy but these woman look amazing in these heels and tights.

Secondly, I've noticed more women going about on big motor bikes, 125cc and up. Proper motorbikes, not scooters. Now this is quite a manly, masculine thing to do, traditionally. Same as wearing heels is more feminine and womanly, traditionally. This brings loads of arguments into my head.

1. These woman don't care if others think they are butch lesbians
(no offence intended) or unfeminine, because they're doing the things that makes them happy.
2.When women wanted to wear trousers, they didn't care if others thought badly of them, they wanted to wear trousers and did so.

So what I want to know is this:
Are we pussies for not going out in high heels? Why should we care if people think we're feminine, wearing heels doesn't stop us from being men! It can't! Same as woman on motor bikes don't turn into butch lesbians just because they ride mens' style of motorbikes and not scooters.

This brings me to my next argument:
Why is it acceptable for women to want to do things that men do but not the other way round. Why should men, doing womanly things, be considered as perverts but not the other way round?
Women say high heels make them feel sexy, so men must be perverts for wearing them. Women also say that straddeling a motorbike hits them on the g-spot/clitoris, does this make them perverts, who cares, most men like horny women.

It's not just men who don't like men doing womanly things, many women find this unattractive in a guy too, makes them think he's 'soft' or 'gay'(no offence intended).

Being a guy I can understand it from a guys point of view, you hear high heels, you think there must be a hot woman coming past, you take a look and there's a guy in heels. Oh, the disappointment!!
There's more to this, I know, but it's to much to type all the reasons for men not liking men in heels, but this can change!
We have men wearing alicebands, using beauty/grooming products, waxing body hair, prehaps it's just a matter of time before men in heels becomes more acceptable.
We need David Beckham to wear heels, then it will become perfectly normal.

But from the woman, I don't understand it. Why do women want to do the things men do but don't like us doing what they do?

Anybody got any ideas on this?

Saturn

Really, that's an excellent question. Unfortunately, I don't know why it's okay for women to do everything a man can, but not the other way around.

Take for instance, this message board community. We have a board for guys, a board for gals, and a board for "everybody."

Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, PLEASE - but isn't it okay for the women to post in the men's forum, but the men are not allowed to post in the women's forum? I realize that there seems to be a lot more men on here than women, so I suppose they just don't want to clog the girl's board with a bunch of men's post. However, if there was an influx of female visitors, and a large amount of females began posting on the men's board, I think we would welcome it, yes?

Like I said, I could be wrong, but that seems to be the situation. I'll still complacently follow all the rules, but it's "one of those things."

jmc

As a member of the website staff I feel like we have explained this until we are all "blue in the face". But here's another go-round.

You are correct when you state that there are a lot more men around here than women. We are picking up a few female members lately but the number of ladies here has always been far less than the number of guys and it is probably not reasonable to expect that to change. For one thing, heels are not as alluring to women as they are to men -- for guys, there's the mystique of the "forbidden fruit" attached to heels while for women they're just shoes. So it seems that women are not as disposed to talk at great length about high heels.

At one time, way back in the golden old days of HHplace, anybody could post anywhere. We started getting a lot of complaints from the women that the men were overrunning their forum -- one of the women would start a thread and she would get 2 female responses and 500 male responses. About half of our female membership became so upset over this situation that they stopped participating and most of those who left have never returned. That's when the "Guys do not post in the girls' forum" rule came into effect.

I was a "lurker" back in those days so I saw the rancor and the mass exodus. I don't want to have it happen again.

Can we not extend this simple courtesy to our female members? Are they not worth it? Most of us red-blooded guys *like* to have some special women around, don't we? The entire staff is tired of the complaints over this rule but it's not going to change -- the alternative is a lot worse. Yes, we're all about breaking some rules here -- arbitrary rules about fashion, looks and what is acceptable for men. But there are some rules you cannot break without serious repercussions.

Now let us get back to the topic at hand and build up our courage to walk tall and proud in our heels!

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Elegant

Men are kept from posting in girls' forums just because we've got a very little number of women, and in order to prevent losing them, admins / moderators decided to keep their board strictly female. DON'T look at it in a "lack of equal rights" way. If more women come, and the numbers of male and female members become simmilar / equal- the restriction will prove useless and probably be lifted.

[EDIT] I see that JMC stated it...

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crotchboots-m

why not,indeed. consider the practical side of it all...wearing heels is...i hate to say it...uncomfortable...and not the least bit practical. i think this is the biggest obstacle with guys,really. i mean,if you could score easier with the gals wearing them...they would be lined up out the door for them. but this,alas,is not the case.

Saturn

So I guessed it right. There were too many men posting on the women's forum (at a previous time).

I wasn't there, so please, if you feel as though you are "blue in the face," I'm sorry - but to my defense, I correctly assumed what the problem was, so give me a LITTLE credit here.

As far as drawing the comparison - well, maybe it was an unfair one. But it seemed similar enough at the time. :P

Jamie001

In my opinion this thread really sucks. It is an example of a thread that is WAY OFF TOPIC and in no way does it address or respond to the Original Poster's initial discussion topic. Can we please get this thread back on topic or close it?

Thanks,

Jamie

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Saturn

Hey Jamie - instead of complaining, why don't you add to the discussion? In fact, I think I'll do just that myself.

This is exactly right - it CAN'T change the fact that we're men. That's probably the most important thing for most people to consider. Unless you're dressed as a woman (and there's no problem with that, it's just not for me) then wearing heels can't designate you as any LESS of a man. Of course, we're back to that stigma that if a man wears heels he must be effeminate - which is simply not true in MANY of the cases here.

This is something that's been bothering me for some time. I suppose you could track it to the fact that sex is usually marketed towards men, rather than women. They try to sell women "intimacy" whereas a man apparently wants sex, and just that. Look at all the Tag/Axe body spray commercials - here's a guy who's attracting random women for suggested sexual relations.

I mean, I'm not an expert, and I didn't look it up. But I'm fairly certain there are many more female escort services/prostitutes available than there are male services of the same kind. So obviously, because so many of these services exist, all men must be perverts.

What this really does is attach a stigma to men, along with all the "perverts" in the press. Some guy who killed women based on high heeled footwear, the guy who randomly knocked a girl down and stole her shoe - these are the stories that get circulated, and well known. Innocent high heeled freestyling is very much NOT in the media. Yes, it is in the media, but you really have to look for it. We make a big deal out of it, but it seems that others are not paying much attention to ANY advances this kind of fashion movement has made.

Maybe the reason that women are wanting to do more "manly" things is that their so-called "liberation" really isn't that old. Most everyone is only a few generations away from the male mentality of "women should be seen and not heard" or a "woman's place is in the home." Women obviously have come a long way, ESPECIALLY within the last 100 years. My guess is because there was this kind of repression (which still exists in many parts of the world) they are branching out and broadening their horizons.

Men, throughout history, had a large advantage over women - being able to vote/own land, for instance. Heck, look at China! They actually look DOWN upon a woman being born, they want a son that will carry on the family's name (among other reasons).

So why can't a man choose to wear heels or do anything of the opposite sex without being discriminated? Well, maybe it's as simple as this - we've had the upper hand for a long time (so to speak) so there was absolutely no reason for us to RELINQUISH our masculinity for any reason - it was a symbol of power, really. Therefore, no reason to change. **(Of course, I'm speaking in relative, general terms here. I'm not trying to say that woman are any less than men - I believe in equality of the sexes. But in the past (and still today!) the equality just wasn't there.)**

Because women are becoming closer and closer to that societal equal to men (which unfortunately can not be 100% resolved, but it seems to get better all the time) men are finally accepting that other types of fashion are acceptable because the difference between sexes is becoming more blurred - as it should be, in my opinion.

Allow me to reiterate - I believe in equality of the sexes, I only presented the archaic views of others for sake of argument.

I'm not sure if this made much sense to anyone, but hey - I gave it a shot.

raymond.nl

Yes, (some) men are pussies for not going out in heels;
The acceptance of women doing men's stuff and vice versa is disputable. Some men (in the middle east) don't want to see women driving cars; some women (in the west) love to go shopping with their man; most women love to cuddle with their man (even though that might not be a manly thing).

Perhaps peer pressure is more of a guy-thing (from the days when we used to hunt in packs).

I've had mostly positive feedback on wearing heels, even more so from women than from men. It is acceptable for men to wear heels, it's just that you have to have the guts to stand out.

loswabs

Raymond, which men are pussies for not going out in heels and which are not pussies for not going out in heels?

In answer to one of the original questions by Beigeboots, I feel it's mainly down to the confidence of each individual and personal circumstance. I sometimes go out in heels 'cos I feel good about it, other times I don't have the courage and pass. It's a shame I lack the courage but I'm not perfect. In fact, I am an incredibily shy individual. In an ideal world I'd wear heels out every day I wanted, to work, to social gatherings, to family events, food shopping, wherever. But I don't live in an ideal world so have to accept there are limits I will not push. So I only wear heels and my fetish outfits in locations I am unlikely to meet people in my "normal" life. And if I did meet someone I knew, chances are they'd be equally "compromised"!

Were not all super-confident men, but neither is anyone a pussy.