Another "Outing" - Page 2

HHDude · 14th August 2008, 09:45

Great points, vector. Didn't see it in that perspective. Even the "gay issues" are still argued amongst them. Am I right?

Yeah, also forgot about the peer-like pressures principals still have to take for an action like this, especially to throw off all the teachers' schedules. BUT....if they could take the time (two years in a row) to let someone take over to let us teens know the dangers and consequences of drugs and smoking...ok, well, maybe that's more important than males heeling...
On a side note, she IS new, so I would have to gain her trust and get to know her like the school did with the previous principal before I went on with this.

And yeah, peer pressure IS a B%$#! Couldn't risk losing friends, best friends, for something not necessarily stupid, but risky as hell to do and act upon. Just not worth it, now that I think about it.

Gave me alot to think about. No doubt I shouldn't go through with this now. But this'll come out again when I reach college... :o

johnieheel · 14th August 2008, 15:57

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to let someone take over to let us teens know the dangers and consequences of drugs and smoking...ok, well, maybe that's more important than males heeling...

Well said!

Maybe you could kinda go into it a little easy and sorta joke around asking an opinion from your male and female friends to start with but don't make to big of an issue about it.

HHDude · 15th August 2008, 18:37

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Originally Posted by johnieheel

Well said!

Maybe you could kinda go into it a little easy and sorta joke around asking an opinion from your male and female friends to start with but don't make to big of an issue about it.

Yeah, that is a pretty good idea. But, with it being a private school, we're forced to wear uniforms. What I'm getting at is: I've already thought of how I'll bring the subject out, but it can only work on days we can get outta uniform, AND a few girls are wearing heels that day. It's gonna be long, so I need some way to keep the question in my head until that day finally comes.

Bubba136 · 16th August 2008, 00:48

While watching an early morning report on activity at the Olympics on MSNBC this morning, I was switching channels during a commercial and happened to see a report on another channel about a young man, Lawrence King, Oxnard, California, who was shot at his school because he declaired to one and all that he was gay.

Apparently, this 15 year old young man appeared each day in school wearing make-up, jewlery and, on some days, dresses and skirts, always high heels -- most of the time the report stated, his favorite high heeled boots.

One morning one of his classmates walked into the room where he was and shot him through the head and then fled from the school. The shooter was later apprehended by the police a few blocks from the school later that morning.

The actual TV report was short...about 30 or 45 seconds. It didn't really go into much detail except to relate that the shooter had entered a plea of "not guilty" durring his arraignment earlier this week.

I vaguely remember hearing or reading about this incident late last winter or early last spring. However, the report kinda jogged my memory and I was curious to refresh it.

The boy who shot Lawrence King was only 14 and, according to a news article that I found on line, if he is found guilty, is facing 52 years in prison for murder. The prosecuter has also added "commission of a hate crime" to the list of charges filed against the shooter which will just add to the length of punishment.

Anyone that would like to read more about this incident can either google it like i did or go to: Lawrence king

While I don't believe this case to be representative of high school students feelings towards other students exhibiting unorthodox behavior, I think, if I were hhdude, I would be very careful on how and when I let it be known that I wore high heels.

highestheels · 16th August 2008, 01:08

I agree with you, there are some strange individuals that will do anything against the minority because they feel that they are right. It is the same for murder ofcourse. HHDude has to be careful and it just shows the courage that others in this forum have when taking "outings" in their heels.

gwl1 · 16th August 2008, 01:27

Two other considerations, HHDude...

1. Not only will the word travel like lightning if you out yourself to your school, but your parents will know about it in microseconds after that. You will need to be prepared to deal not only with reprimands from teachers and principal and peer rejection, but with parental anger, confusion, and possible punishment. I agree with the advice not to go public until after you graduate. Getting that diploma is WAY more important than going public about heeling. Enjoy your heels in private for the rest of your school career.

College is a bit different and you might have a more liberal audience there, to do what you want (within whatever rules and dress codes exist). So wait till then to go public, but even then do it cautiously.

2. Halloween is coming up at the end of October. Get with a few buddies you can trust perhaps, and figure out how to wear high heels as a Halloween prank, perhaps with additional elements of a costume. If several of you do it, no one will point the finger only at you as the instigator or "disruptive influence" (a euphemism for trouble-maker). It could be comic and everyone will have fun. Think about what you can do with other pals and gals in tow. Organize something fun and go for it.

If you can do it as a fundraiser for charity, that will stop most objections. Google "Walk a mile in her shoes" and read about the foot race where guys wear high heels to walk a mile to raise money for domestic violence awareness. Try something along those lines. At least you might get one day of public wearing, do some good for society, and be free of negative ramifications later on.

GWL

HHDude · 16th August 2008, 02:01

Hm, despite you guys throwing out serious warnings (and scaring me, no offence), I do hear what you all are saying. Guess I will have to halt with what I do. Tough luck for me, but I just gotta understand that teens will be teens. Tv, society, etc. will continue to influence us, no matter how hard we try to (for example) block out from watching a "stupid" commercial or not "follow/be the leader," it's still gonna get into us and influence us to do something we wanna do, just cause we saw it on Tv or heard it on the news, radio, etc. Anything or anyone out of the norm we know (and some of us love) must be ousted. In some other words, eliminated. In more specifics, killed.

Thanks all for making me see this side of things. I'll now be alot more careful with where I walk/go to, as well as who I tell and aware of my surroundings (people I may know, etc).

Dangerous world we live in, right? I mean 'the sooner, the better,' but in this case, the sooner, the shorter [your life span may be].

johnieheel · 16th August 2008, 07:53

You are all scaring the heel out of HHd. I know its all for good reason and to protect him, but you really think there is a chance of him getting shot in the head, tared and feathered by his step dad in public square, or beat up beyond recognition by his school mates just for wearing wedges?
HHD, I would be a little cautious but not to these extremes. It's only shoes we're talking about.

Bubba136 · 16th August 2008, 15:48

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Originally Posted by johnieheel

You are all scaring the heel out of HHd. I know its all for good reason and to protect him, but you really think there is a chance of him getting shot in the head, tared and feathered by his step dad in public square, or beat up beyond recognition by his school mates just for wearing wedges?
HHD, I would be a little cautious but not to these extremes. It's only shoes we're talking about.

My purpose in relating that news report wasn't to scare HHd but to make him aware that all is not peaches and cream for male high heel wearers out there.

And, also to get him to think about wearing girls shoes that weren't so obviously girls shoes. Shoes like Penny Loafer style or boots with 2" or 2½" heels. Perhaps Canadian Beaver would be a good source of information on what it is like to circulate among your classmates wearing female shoes? Besides being closer to HHD's age, he does have first hand experience and would be able to give him some good advice.

HHDude · 16th August 2008, 16:10

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Originally Posted by johnieheel

HHD, I would be a little cautious but not to these extremes. It's only shoes we're talking about.

Yeah. But it's also society's acceptance we're talking about. And I am still only a teen. I mean, if I were an adult, I'd get laughs from the teen age instead of a threat from one of them, especially one of my class/school. So, tough and scary as it sounds, I'm gonna have to face facts that my class [of 2010] is just not ready for this kind of change.

Now If they are, then slap me silly and call me Suzie