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Old 9th April 2008, 08:40   #21 (permalink)
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Pretty simple to me. I wear(see avatar) what I like, what the public thinks doesn't matter. I enjoy and my wife watchs the reactions
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I certainly do not wish to choose what you wear, that I reseve just for myself.

I have found my current comfort zone and I take my hat off to those who have found theirs and stick two fingers up at society's opinion. If it be the wearing of stiletto heels, skirts whatever, then just do what you feel comfortable with.

However, there are a lot of guys who still have to find their zone. I think they wish to know just how the guys who do wear heels - regardless of type - arrived at their zone. It was reading this board that gave me the encouragement I needed to go along the path to my zone. Starting my journey the choice of footwear was not chosen by anyone else but me.

I for one have yet to go further down the road and so I guess you could say i'm in a lay-by for now. My ultimate goal would be that men feel free enough to wear skirts, dresses, hosiery, stiletto heels etc., as easily as they would wear a tuxedo & black tie, white tie and tails, a really sharp suit.

It is a mind game we play and the journey to heel wearing can be a long and sometimes painful road.

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I for one have yet to go further down the road and so I guess you could say i'm in a lay-by for now.

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It is a mind game we play and the journey to heel wearing can be a long and sometimes painful road.

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Lay-by? That suggests the journey has been halted? Surely you've only eased off the accelerator a little? Isn't your journey still on-going, but you've settled at a pace you're (currently) happy with?


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thighboots.... i hear you..... i think all of us have a different comfort level (or zone as you put it) with the place heels have in our life and how much of it we can introduce to friedns, family and local community....

i for one are happy (jealous) for those who can ignore the world, be individuals and do and wear as they wish without concern for what other people may think.... i'm definitely not at that level and i don't think no matter how much people say "screw everyone - just do what you want", it will take time for me to get there (if ever)
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By Lay-by I am referring to my ultimate goal for all men statement, as it is on that road I see myself. That goal is so far off in the distance (for the masses I am talking about, not those exceptional few) that there are many such lay-bys on the way. It isn't my destination.

You see I am happy to have jumped that initial hurdle of wearing footwear that has a heel bigger than 1" and isn't a cowboy boot - i.e. what is considered as acceptable by society. That IS the biggest step to take, the first one. I don't exactly find the womens utility footwear exciting to look at when women wear them, but I do enjoy wearing them myself precisely because they are utilitarian. They are still heels and in the range I like, 7-10cm. If I appreciate the look of a shoe on a woman and she looks sexy wearing them, then it is my opinion that it is not for me and in my mind that rules out all stiletto heels, strappy sandals, and so on. I love to see these shoes on women and I am happy if they remain just for them. The shoes in the attachement are as high as I want, and the heel shape is as thin as I think is right - for me, the cuban heel is just great for male attire.

Many of course have the desire to only wear stiletto heels. The world doesn't stop turning when you do as Kneehighs has proved so often its a wonder he isn't famous outside of this board. However, for this heel wearer, I would rather be wearing high heels even if they are the chunkier variety where ever I please than be stuck inside my house with lovely stiletto heels which I will not wear outside precisely because when I hear that delightful clicking sound I know I am going to look at a woman and if I am lucky a pretty girl in a lovely outfit and not some bloke. It IS their signature sound and it should remain so.

Yes it is a compromise, but one I am happy with.

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Yes it is a compromise, but one I am happy with.

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I wasn't suggesting you were compromising. But I wanted to assert you haven't gone as far as you ever want to? I still think that's the case.

In many ways, my attitude mimics yours. Reading your posts, can be a bit scary, as it sometimes feels like I'm reading my own prose.

You have my full support with wearing 7-10cm as 3-4 inches is not much lower if at all, than the 4" which is my usual walking heel height. Stiletto's are in many ways, not practical for men (wear too quickly) as I've mentioned. As for listening to their sound, I'd prefer listening to my wife clik-claking next to me, but I'd sooner llisten to my own feet than nothing at all. [Really is like 'music to my ears'. ]

I'm not hung up on stillies, and in fact LOVE wedges, and that is the style I've bought as my 'street' shoes. Five times now.

I've listened to your anecdotal experience and preferences, and that of several others who have contributed to the thread. And guess what? I'm gonna give it a go. In fact I mentioned it to herself this evening, and didn't get an adverse response!

A potential convert ..... For "everywhere" footwear anyway.


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The ONLY reason I don't already own a pair like the ones in your picture, is that they are supposed to be a wide fit, which I avoid.
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The shoes pictured are available via Ebay. Word of warning though if you decide to go for a pair of them, they run HUGE and not just big. I had to go down 2 sizes to get the right fit. Standards - don't you just love them.

I will be pleased for you if you do "give it a go" especially since you say your SO didn't give you an adverse response. Is this proving my suggestion that adopting the non-sexy heels you won't be seen as going too far into "their" territory?

In my case, my SO is OK with me wearing shoes that she would not consider wearing as she does not see them as feminine. I did have a pair of 3" loafer style shoes for a while with a big block heel and she was not happy with me wearing them (although I did and wore them out). Although she probably wouldnt wear them herself as she does not like really chunky heels (thankfully) she might and so they are not OK for me. It is a fine line indeed. Shame 'cos they were really comfortable.

Concerning heel height, I don't see the point of going above 10cm/4". The height gain is minimal after that and general mobility declines rapidly. I get about a 3" gain from a 10cm heel and that is quite enough for me. Below 3", then were into the realms of my avatar which are for men. I enjoy pushing the envelope, not ripping it to shreds.

Must say there are a couple of good threads going at the moment and I have enjoyed adding my two'penneth to the debate.

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Concerning heel height, I don't see the point of going above 10cm/4". The height gain is minimal after that and general mobility declines rapidly. I get about a 3" gain from a 10cm heel and that is quite enough for me. Below 3", then were into the realms of my avatar which are for men. I enjoy pushing the envelope, not ripping it to shreds.

Must say there are a couple of good threads going at the moment and I have enjoyed adding my two'penneth to the debate.

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That's an interesting comment, that maybe deserves a separate thread, but mindful we are talking 'man in heels' it's not totally inappropriate here..

I'd expect even a 1" lift would likely effect the gait of any wearer. To experience that high-heeled feeling, I'd expect a 2" lift would be needed. As mentioned before, these heights would possibly improve one's posture (passing nod to medical research) and certainly help give the appearance of a slimmer <taller> wearer too.

Moving upward, 3"-4" (inclusive) lift, is going to start slowing down the wearer, as the lift must adversely affect the performance of the ankle. A reduced stride (gait) and extra care will be needed to maintain a 'gainly' appearance. Practice, will allow the wearer to appear like they may be walking normally, as legs can be straightened reasonably comfortably. But the wearer will be very aware they are wearing high heels.

Shoes/boots with above 4" lift will make the wearer take noticeably smaller steps, and the gait will give the appearance of wearing a hobble skirt, even if one isn't worn. At this height, the main reason for such a high heel is going to be related to the restriction on walking performance. Higher=more restricted performance. Often used by people interested in BD/SM for visual stimulation, or to induce a mild handicap to the wearer. Some would argue that 5" heels are quite fashionable these days, as Messrs Louboutin shows us in a quite tasteful way. But few wearers will be walking with normal gaits, and away from the catwalk, I doubt these shoes are worn for extended hours. [I'm not saying people don't ever wear them for long periods, but those that do will be few and far between.]

Wearing heels above 4" then, is a "if I can, I will" choice. I can, but I don't know where at the moment (outside of specialist clubs I mean). Type of heel for this is an issue for men, as typically, heel heights of 5" and above are almost entirely stiletto. Fuss do a 5" heeled pump with an attractive thicker heel, and one or two other suppliers <Sand.dk boot><Burlesque Blue patent boot> do a thicker heeled boot, but most suppliers don't include them without seriously thick platforms. And why would a man wear such high heels? The pleasure of it. Some would say, the higher the heel, the greater the pleasure.

I can't explain my last comment, other than to say it seems to be a undeniable.


So you could see how I would agree, 3"-4" heels are a great height for 'street-heeling', and maybe not too high (with the right style) for getting away with for 'everywhere' use. Hence me having some 3" boots on the way for 'testing' purposes.


I too like pushing, not shredding. But I have to add, my female walking partner (not wife) keeps telling me "you always got to push it, haven't you?" Though this usually means where, rather than with what. Another passing nod, this time to my probable over-confidence?


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It is just our inherent biases that keep categorizing male heels to be "male" or masculine (read thick, wide, etc. etc.) You would actually think that a site like this would generate more openness and a more liberal attitude!
Great comment, BK, and I fully agree with SQ. As we all have our opinions, we also bring along our biases. Maybe one of the reasons why so many of us show up here is so that we each help each other recognize and get over certain biases. What better place than here to deal with this topic?

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It is just our inherent biases that keep categorizing male heels to be "male" or masculine (read thick, wide, etc. etc.) You would actually think that a site like this would generate more openness and a more liberal attitude!


In my way of thinking, we're using the term "male" or "masculine" heels to mark the difference between the styles of women's shoes that are obviously "girlie" looking. Styles that have patterned colors, dainty buttons, bows and straps that absolutely point to exclusive wear by women with thin, frilly dresses and other feminine finery.

Rounded, more bold toes, thicker heels and heavier, more substantial looking shoes are styled more in the traditon of male appearing footware. These styles attract less attention and tend to calm the timidity and fear of ridicule that comes with a man wearing high heels in public.

I guess the basic question is "do you want to wear women's shoes or just high heels? The style I choose depends on the time of day, where I am going and how I will dress. Lower heels for business and situations that obviously call for more masculine looking shoes. And then, for events where I believe I can wear a nice pair of classic pumps, boots or other styles with 4" or higher, thinner stiletto style heels, I carefully choose a pair to match the situation.

The key, in my opinion, is to dress the part, act naturally, and what ever style of women's shoes you chose, wear them with a pleasent look on your face and confidence. Always with confidence.

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